Kennedy joins the show from Urupukapuka in the Bay of Islands.

He talks to Susie Ferguson about the overwhelming sense of Māori history in the area and also about how the popular understanding of the significance of climate change has changed in the past seven years.

Back then, extreme weather were generally accompanied by the line “we can’t be sure if this storm is related to human-induced climate change.”

With Cyclone Gabrielle, no one says that today.